Comments on: Cairngorm 3: The cat is out of the bag http://www.fusioncube.net/index.php/cairngorm-3-the-cat-is-out-of-the-bag The online journey of a technophile, by Steve Brownlee Mon, 30 Jan 2012 21:28:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Matt http://www.fusioncube.net/index.php/cairngorm-3-the-cat-is-out-of-the-bag/comment-page-1#comment-34511 Matt Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:31:40 +0000 http://www.fusioncube.net/?p=662#comment-34511 I agree with Steve. It is very difficult to maintain internal standards when you are dealing with a team of 5 or more developers, many of which are coming and going (contract, consultation, etc.) If you maintain your own set of standards and best practices there is the initial burden of waiting until the new developers catch on and truly understand how things are done *your* way. And sometimes that day never actually comes if you hire the wrong person and then you have to start all over again. Also, if you do not have well written and up-to-date documentation it takes even longer. In my opinion, the beautiful thing ("pro") about these frameworks is that the documentation exists all over the inter-webs and there is the added bonus of global community support that happens naturally because many of us thrive on helping each other out. The bigger the community is and the more a product is recognized, the better the product will be and the easier it is to learn and understand the core concepts of how it is implemented, etc. My $0.02 worth. I agree with Steve.

It is very difficult to maintain internal standards when you are dealing with a team of 5 or more developers, many of which are coming and going (contract, consultation, etc.) If you maintain your own set of standards and best practices there is the initial burden of waiting until the new developers catch on and truly understand how things are done *your* way. And sometimes that day never actually comes if you hire the wrong person and then you have to start all over again. Also, if you do not have well written and up-to-date documentation it takes even longer.

In my opinion, the beautiful thing (“pro”) about these frameworks is that the documentation exists all over the inter-webs and there is the added bonus of global community support that happens naturally because many of us thrive on helping each other out. The bigger the community is and the more a product is recognized, the better the product will be and the easier it is to learn and understand the core concepts of how it is implemented, etc.

My $0.02 worth.

]]> By: Steve Brownlee http://www.fusioncube.net/index.php/cairngorm-3-the-cat-is-out-of-the-bag/comment-page-1#comment-34461 Steve Brownlee Sat, 10 Oct 2009 15:09:25 +0000 http://www.fusioncube.net/?p=662#comment-34461 Peter, it seems as if you've had a/some negative experience with companies that have tried to implement a development framework. I'll state that using a code architecture or a development framework is not a fad, nor trendy, but simply efforts to do what most industries try to do - standardize. They are not used to discriminate, but rather to homogenize the work being done on business applications within a company. It reduces risks, increases productivity, creates a better community amongst the developers, and speeds up programming over time. Granted, there are some bonehead managers and executives out there with their head in the sand, and may do things incorrectly. However, that is not the fault of the hard working folks who develop these frameworks and architectures. If you can see what the advantages are, instead of focusing on their improper implementation, you'll realize that frameworks and architectures are a positive things for the community as a whole, and for those who wish to advance their skills and careers. Peter, it seems as if you’ve had a/some negative experience with companies that have tried to implement a development framework. I’ll state that using a code architecture or a development framework is not a fad, nor trendy, but simply efforts to do what most industries try to do – standardize.

They are not used to discriminate, but rather to homogenize the work being done on business applications within a company. It reduces risks, increases productivity, creates a better community amongst the developers, and speeds up programming over time.

Granted, there are some bonehead managers and executives out there with their head in the sand, and may do things incorrectly. However, that is not the fault of the hard working folks who develop these frameworks and architectures.

If you can see what the advantages are, instead of focusing on their improper implementation, you’ll realize that frameworks and architectures are a positive things for the community as a whole, and for those who wish to advance their skills and careers.

]]> By: retep http://www.fusioncube.net/index.php/cairngorm-3-the-cat-is-out-of-the-bag/comment-page-1#comment-34457 retep Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12:49:17 +0000 http://www.fusioncube.net/?p=662#comment-34457 Sometimes I think frameworks are just a fad that allow companies to discriminate developers based on some piece of code that sort of shows your "advanced" level. Maybe it works for large projects but it is always a pain to update and extend the app, especially when people who worked with particular framework decide to move on and leave the company or simply get fired being replaced by cheaper resources ("nothing personal it's just business decision" tell us business people that sit on their so called "business" meetings all days long...). Sometimes I think frameworks are just a fad that allow companies to discriminate developers based on some piece of code that sort of shows your “advanced” level. Maybe it works for large projects but it is always a pain to update and extend the app, especially when people who worked with particular framework decide to move on and leave the company or simply get fired being replaced by cheaper resources (“nothing personal it’s just business decision” tell us business people that sit on their so called “business” meetings all days long…).

]]> By: Arnoud Bos http://www.fusioncube.net/index.php/cairngorm-3-the-cat-is-out-of-the-bag/comment-page-1#comment-34450 Arnoud Bos Wed, 07 Oct 2009 20:26:03 +0000 http://www.fusioncube.net/?p=662#comment-34450 Well "you can use any framework with it" is for now a bit wishful thinking as much depends on Parsley (which is btw a very nice framework). Then using another IoC container like SringActionscript or Swiz makes stuff not cearer. In the end using multiple frameworks beside eachother is often confusing. I hope they will remove this dependency in the near future. But i really like the idea of loosely coupled ideas of Cairngorm 3! Arnoud Well “you can use any framework with it” is for now a bit wishful thinking as much depends on Parsley (which is btw a very nice framework).

Then using another IoC container like SringActionscript or Swiz makes stuff not cearer. In the end using multiple frameworks beside eachother is often confusing. I hope they will remove this dependency in the near future. But i really like the idea of loosely coupled ideas of Cairngorm 3!

Arnoud

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